That pretty much sums up my thoughts. I don't know of an Uncle anyone with the resources to put the machine permanently offline. So how do I stop these thoughts that I am some sort of monster for not being able to explain clearly enough that the experiment is dangerous and offers no real benefit?

Perhaps an environmental approach because the physicists are deaf? The machine is a huge producer of radiation so hundreds of tonnes of highly radioactive material will be produced. Who will pay for the clean up?

I would like to point out the EU committed itself to building a 10,000 year sarcophagus for the Chernobyl accident. Commitments are cheap and easily given because the project has not even started due to no funding for the task.

What about the thousands of tonnes of lower intensity radioactive material? The demolition of the last large particle accelerator involved the clean up of hundreds of thousands of tonnes of material. The LHC is bigger than any other machine ever and has multiple collision and beam dump sites.

Some facilities (like Chernobyl) were built in early days much like CERN in the 1950's. So what modern safeguards like containment barriers for coolant or other ground water breach (meltdown scenario) is there to protect Lake Geneva?

Finally from the New York Times a piece from a physics conference. It makes good reading. It is a shame the public are so unaware that real physicists are so unsure of their stuff.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts. I don't know of an Uncle anyone with the resources to put the machine permanently offline. So how do I stop these thoughts that I am some sort of monster for not being able to explain clearly enough that the experiment is dangerous and offers no real benefit?

Perhaps an environmental approach because the physicists are deaf? The machine is a huge producer of radiation so hundreds of tonnes of highly radioactive material will be produced. Who will pay for the clean up?

I would like to point out the EU committed itself to building a 10,000 year sarcophagus for the Chernobyl accident. Commitments are cheap and easily given because the project has not even started due to no funding for the task.

What about the thousands of tonnes of lower intensity radioactive material? The demolition of the last large particle accelerator involved the clean up of hundreds of thousands of tonnes of material. The LHC is bigger than any other machine ever and has multiple collision and beam dump sites.

Some facilities (like Chernobyl) were built in early days much like CERN in the 1950's. So what modern safeguards like containment barriers for coolant or other ground water breach (meltdown scenario) is there to protect Lake Geneva?

Finally from the New York Times a piece from a physics conference. It makes good reading. It is a shame the public are so unaware that real physicists are so unsure of their stuff.

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Well a quick search found this UC BERKELEY LAB PLAN TO DEMOLISH BEVATRON. Local papers confirm some 4,700 truck loads of waste. Perhaps there hasn't been a big accelerator decommissioned yet. The problem will face Geneva in time or perhaps like one Berkley lab proposal it will be left in place as a museum.


From Wired Science

Sorry, I want to live and save my relatives!
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.phys ... 16c?hl=en#

Save yourself, your mother, your children – kill particle physicist, who promote collisions of particles with energies more then 100 GeV.

You will be killed in a several days, if you will not stop the CERN.

Note 1. Idiot’s commentaries about comparison with cosmic rays are incorrect and criminal.
Note 2. Idiot’s commentaries about 1 TeV Tevatron collisions are incorrect, because magnetic induction in proto-antiproton collisions in the center between colliding particles is zero; in LHC it is doubled and critical.




http://darkenergy.narod.ru/

You are one depressed psychotic ass-hole do you know that Ivan.I have once again read your Curriculum Vitae and main page just for laughs as your ideas and theories aint worth a goddamn fart.

You are nothing but a Fu***** cockroach.Have a good one mate.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/41564


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My commentary to this article:

According to my theory of Magnetic Hole (MH), the Earth can be exploded as a result of magnetic collapse at MHs, which can be created at one of proton-proton collisions. The theory is based at two independent and absolutely different math proves, giving almost the same result, - dangerous MHs can be created at p-p collisions with energy about 0.25 TeV per proton, if magnetic moment of x-boson is equal to magnetic moment of proton.

So, I understood that CERN and other scientific organizations, promoting the particle collisions with energies more then 0.1 TeV per particle, can kill me, my relatives, my friends, and my planet.
In order to prevent the murder I wrote several letters to authorities of my country and to authorities of other countries. I wrote several letters to Prosecutor’s office of my country. Most of my letters were resent to Russian Academy of Sciences, where they were thrown into rubbish by a secretary of Nuclear Physics Section of RAS.

Now I do not believe in a possibility of peaceful solution of the problem. I think that courts will not stop the LHC and will not save us. I think that CERN will kill us soon with a probability of about 50%. What can I do to save my relatives and friends? Can I seat silently and wait for a death? Must I take a weapon and kill my potential killers? But how can I live further? I do not want to be a killer and I do not want that particle physicist would kill my people.

Notes:
1. Comparison with cosmic rays is incorrect and criminal.
2. Comparison with 1 TeV Tevatron collisions are incorrect, because magnetic induction in proton-antiproton collisions in the center between colliding particles is zero; in LHC it is doubled and critical.
3. CERN already performed about a million of 0.45 TeV collisions. Are such energy collisions safe? No, - the billionth 0.45 TeV collision can be the last for our planet. CERN already performed about 10 000 of 1.18 TeV collisions. The millionth such collision can be the last. In a several days CERN will make the first 3.5 TeV collision. It can be the last, - the Earth can be exploded.

Save yourself, your mother, your children – try to ban collisions with energy more than 0.1 TeV per particle. If criminal scientists resist – kill them. We have no any other option.

http://darkenergy.narod.ru/

This comment was already deleted from that article.

I repeated it under another article "Higgs hunters face long haul" without two last sentences about killing.

Here is a answer from Ragtime.

From my correspondence at Russian-language forum.


Thanks.

Why here we can see 348 MeV (0.348GeV), but I said that dangerous collisions are collisions with energy 0.25 TeV (250 GeV) per proton, or 510 GeV per collision.

According to my conclusions the minimal dangerous magnetic hole must contain 510 bosons, which can be created at 510 GeV collision. One thirds, or 170 GeV, goes out in the form of radiation, and corresponds to the total binding energy of all bosons inside the hole, or about 1/3 of GeV per every boson.
The mass of every boson inside hole is about 2/3 GeV in energy units.
The number from article, 0.348 GeV corresponds to one quark with the charge 1/3 q. Proton is three-quark (three-polar) structure and for proton we will have the number, which is 3 times bigger, i.e. about 1 GeV.
In a critical magnetic field (10^16 T) proton decays at boson and positron. Boson is captured by hole, where his mass is about 2/3 GeV. The rest, 1/3 GeV, goes into kinetic energy of positron and at gamma photon(s).

Why we did not create a magnetic hole till now?
- Try to throw up 100 coins and to receive all 100 “ups” or all 100 “dawns”.
It is possible, but in order to see such picture, you must throw up these 100 coins approximately 2^100 times (or 1,27*10^30).
No one collider had made this number of collisions.

But the probability can be risen up greatly, if we would raise the energy of collisions.

Or, as they wrote in article: “If magnetic field is defined from qB ~ 1.5 GeV^2, then longitudinal component of a current is much stronger, comparatively to the transverse component, whereas at comparatively weak fields qB ~ 0.3 GeV^2 the enforcement is not observed.” I say that here there is a boundary value of magnetic field for transition of vacuum from antiferromagnetic state into ferromagnetic state.

Conclusion: There are already several little sprouts of magnetic holes theory, but the theory delays drastically comparatively to the experiment. The 20-th February CERN begins work with 3.5 TeV energies per proton. I give 50% that the Earth will be exploded in the nearest weeks.

http://darkenergy.narod.ru/